Subject: Re: Scoring
by Fornia on 9/26/08 18:24
Although I really try to keep the games seperate as I am learning and enjoying the great game of disc golf, I am often forced to reflect on 'ball' golf as I have a decent background and am well versed in tournament operations and the Rules of Golf.
I will admit that my point DOES NOTHING to change the fact that a person may try to proclaim a score lower than the score they actually made.
From my first disc golf tournament (I've only played a handful) I found it odd that although each player fills out a card, only one card is used during the round for official scoring. Whereas in 'ball' golf, each player is given their own scorecard and is required on the first tee to exchange their own card with that of another player in that group. Ultimately, making that other person the scorer for your round. While recording your score it is advised that the player also keep his/her own score somewhere on the card for personal refernce, and as a reference point for any discrepencies. Each player is keeping another person's score in that group during the round.
Upon the completion of a round, the two players verify and attest the scores on the cards. I'd typically say, "Joe, I had you for a 75". Players are responsible for their 'hole-by-hole' scores but you'd typically total the front/back nines and total. If there is a difference in 9-hole or 18-hole scores, they can go back on each other's scoring on a 'hole-by-hole' basis to figure out the reason for the mixup. Once everything is agreed by the players they would both sign that individual card and hand it into the scoring folks. In the end the player is responsible for handing in their own card, as well as, the scores and signatures on that card.
If you are bored, I found some good verbage from the Virginia State Golf Association on the points I've mentioned below...This is the same way you'd score if you played at Saucon Valley, Shepherd Hills or any individual tournament at any golf course near you. Scrambles...are totally different and if you've played in a few, you know that sometimes there can be rumors of teams cheating in scrambles. Scrambles do not apply to what I am saying.
My issues with the way disc golf compares closer to Miniature Golf than 'Ball Golf' in its scoring practices...not a good thing. :)
1. The subject of this thread...a person saying a different (most likely lower) score than they actually made.
2. When 1 person holds and records scores on 1 card...what is stopping a cheater from actually announcing a correct score of 5, only to mark down a 4 on the card? Even if you hand off the card during the round, would most people actually catch it...a few holes later? THIS ONE...really bothers me. Just for the fact that it could happen.
The reference to 'ball' golf's way of scoring does not eliminate the issues I've noted above. However I do feel that knowing the fact that your playing competitor is keeping your score while you are scoring for that player (or another player in a group of 3 or 4) gives a more responsible impression to each competitor. I think its often forgotten that as a player, it is your responsibility to protect the integrity of the other players in the field.
The unfortunate part of this way of scoring is it would require a bit more work for a TD. I've played 2 AMMOS and I applaud Robin for the work he puts into the workdays, directing, and scoring of the tournaments. Thus, I am in no way questioning what I've witnessed locally in our tournaments. We're lucky to have someone that steps up to do this.....Dont get that twisted.
I am commenting on what I understand to be the general scoring practices for the game of disc golf in general. SO basically, this is just an observation and point of view.
The competitors responsibilities:
· Each player will have an Official Scorecard provided to them. Players will exchange scorecards on the first tee.
· USGA (United States Golf Association) Rule 6-6a: After each hole the marker should check the score with the competitor and record it. On completion of the round the marker shall sign the card and hand it to the competitor.
· USGA Rule 6-6b: After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the committee. He shall ensure that the marker has signed the card, countersign the card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible. Penalty for breach of Rule 6-6b: Disqualification.
· USGA Rule 6-6c: No alteration may be made on a card after the competitor has returned it to the committee.
· USGA Rule 6-6d: The competitor is responsible for the correctness of the score recorded for each hole on his card. If he returns a score for any hole lower than actually taken, he shall be disqualified. If he returns a score for any hole higher than actually taken, the score as returned shall stand.
· Players should go directly to the scoring table after your 18th hole has been completed. Scorecards should be signed immediately upon completion of play, no communication with parents, family or friends until the scorecard is signed.
· All scoring rulings or rule information must be requested of the tournament official(s) before the scorecard is attested.
· Each player must perform his responsibility to protect the field by reporting any rule infraction. Players are reminded that under USGA Rule No. 1-3, no player may exclude the operation of a rule or waive any penalty incurred.
USGA Rules will govern all play. CHEATING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! Any knowledge of cheating should be reported to the Tournament Director as soon as possible.
It is the explicit duty of each competitor to protect the field.